It Was Aliens

Shaman Jon Rasmussen's article discusses UFOs and extraterrestrial life, citing anecdotal evidence from his teacher's experiences in Peru and his own observations. The article highlights various accounts of encounters, including those of the Karo tribe whose origins are linked to other planets. Rasmussen also mentions credible researchers and documentaries supporting the existence of extraterrestrials. He explores potential reasons for government secrecy surrounding this topic, relating it to societal order and the potential impact on religious beliefs. Finally, he emphasizes the importance of a skeptical yet open-minded approach to understanding these phenomena.

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SPEAKER_01 0:24

Ever look up at the night sky and kind of get that that shiver down your spine. Like, what if someone's looking back? You know?

SPEAKER_00 0:31

I totally know what you mean. It's a fascinating thought, isn't it? And today we're diving into some pretty wild stories about um about UFOs and and aliens.

SPEAKER_01 0:40

Right. And what's really cool is it's not just like blurry photos or or those kind of campfire tales. Yeah. This deep dive. It gets it gets into some really personal experiences and stuff about ancient cultures and even even some researchers who are trying to, you know, get all scientific about this whole thing.

SPEAKER_00 0:56

It's really exciting, the blend of perspectives. You're right. It makes you think, it makes you rethink like what we think we know about well, everything really.

SPEAKER_01 1:03

Yeah, exactly. And the jumping off point for all this is uh a blog post. It's called uh It Was Aliens by this guy, Shaman John Rasmussen. He's he's got this whole thing going on with spirituality and and and aliens.

SPEAKER_00 1:16

That's what caught my eye too. It's a combination you don't see every day, that's for sure. It really makes you think about how we see things, you know, like how we see the world and what could be out there that that we're just well, we're just missing.

SPEAKER_01 1:29

Totally. So let's let's just jump right in. So the blog starts with this guy, Alberto Vieldo. He's he's a shaman too, and he had this this crazy experience in Peru.

SPEAKER_00 1:39

Oh, yeah, with the the orbs of light. I remember this one. He was with his um his teacher, this caro master shaman, Don Manuel Quispe. And Alberto wakes up and there are all these orbs just circling his tent.

SPEAKER_01 1:51

Whoa, hold on. Out in the the Peruvian highlands? No way. Talk about a creepy wake-up call. I'd I'd be freaking out.

SPEAKER_00 1:58

Right. But what's really wild is how Don Manuel reacts, you know? He's he's totally calm, like it's no big deal. And then the next day, he just casually mentions to Alberto, oh, those were just our um star brothers and sisters, you know, beings from another planet. Yeah and they're they're connected to the Cairo tribe.

SPEAKER_01 2:14

Whoa, whoa, whoa, hold up a sec. So so not just some some random aliens cruising by, but but beings that have this like special link to this this specific tribe. Yeah. Okay, now we're talking.

SPEAKER_00 2:26

It gets you thinking, Ray, like what kind of connection are we even talking about here? You know, is it is it ancient history stuff? Like did they like help start the tribe or something? Or is it even like weirder than that? I mean, who knows?

SPEAKER_01 2:36

I I have so many questions. And get this, it it gets even weirder. So later on, Alberto overhears these UFO researchers talking right.

SPEAKER_00 2:45

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 2:45

And he thinks, oh, Don Manuel's gonna like love this. He's gonna want to share all his secrets with these guys, so he brings them over, all excited.

SPEAKER_00 2:52

And Don Manuel totally shuts them down.

SPEAKER_01 2:54

Yeah. He's he's like, nope, not interested.

SPEAKER_00 2:56

Aaron Powell And this is where it gets really interesting, I think, because Don Manuel tells Alberto he's not interested in the uh the quote, aliens that come in buses, meaning like spaceships. He's interested in the ones that um that travel through a tear in time and space.

SPEAKER_01 3:12

Aaron Powell Hold on, hold on. Did he just say like a a rip in the fabric of reality? Okay, now we're we're going full on sci-fi here. This is this is wild.

SPEAKER_00 3:21

Aaron Powell It is pretty wild, but it does raise some interesting questions, you know, like could he be talking about like different kinds of aliens, like different species, or or maybe they come from different like dimensions or even like different points in time? I don't I don't even know where to start with this.

SPEAKER_01 3:38

I know, right? It's it's like comparing, I don't know, us flying in planes today to like instantly teleporting across the world. One's one's just normal science, the other one is like straight up magic.

SPEAKER_00 3:49

Exactly. And you know what? This this idea of messing with space and time, it's it's not totally out there, you know. Like physicists, they talk about stuff like uh wormholes. Like maybe, maybe these beings, they've they've figured out physics way beyond anything we can even imagine, and they can like jump through time and space like it's nothing.

SPEAKER_01 4:09

So so we're talking like different alien species, beings from other dimensions. Yeah. Time travelers, my brain's like officially melted now. This is this is a lot to take in.

SPEAKER_00 4:19

I know, right? It's pretty mind-blowing. But that's that's what makes this topic so so fascinating. It really makes you question everything you thought you knew, you know.

SPEAKER_01 4:27

Okay, so so maybe we're dealing with different like categories of of extraterrestrials. Yeah. And they all have their own like ways of getting around. But the blog also talks about how a bunch of different indigenous tribes, like like the Karuo, they have all these like origin stories that connect them to other planets, like they came from the stars.

SPEAKER_00 4:46

And it's not just the Karo, right? Like you see this all over the world. All these different cultures, they have these myths and legends about star beings and and sky gods and and visitations from from up there. It's it's kind of freaky how how often it pops up.

SPEAKER_01 5:01

Aaron Powell It really makes you wonder, right? Like, could these stories, could they be more than just like made-up stories? Could they be like like echoes of of real encounters that happened way back when? Yeah. And those stories just got like passed down through generations, shaping how they see the universe.

SPEAKER_00 5:16

Aaron Powell It's a compelling thought, right? Like, imagine a time when interactions with these beings, it was just like a normal thing. It was part of their reality. It makes you wonder what really happened back then.

SPEAKER_01 5:27

All right, so John, the guy who wrote the blog, he he doesn't just rely on like old stories. He talks about his own like personal experiences seeing strange stuff in the sky, like a silver orb in Utah and this this weird light he saw with a group in Peru.

SPEAKER_00 5:45

Yeah, and you know what I like about it, he doesn't just automatically jump to, oh, it's aliens, you know. He actually tries to explain it all as just normal stuff first. Like he's skeptical. And and that makes his story and makes it way more believable to me. You know, really.

SPEAKER_01 5:59

It shows he's he's thinking critically, he's not just like buying into every weird light in the sky. He's trying to be like, you know, a good scientist about it.

SPEAKER_00 6:06

Exactly. That's exactly the approach we need when we're dealing with, you know, claims this big, this, this out there. You gotta be open-minded, but also, you know, have your skeptical hat on at the same time. Can't just jump to conclusions.

SPEAKER_01 6:18

Couldn't agree more. And talking about evidence, John's blog, it introduces us to some researchers who are trying to get all, you know, scientific about UFOs, people like uh George Knapp, Bob Lazar, and Jeremy Corbell.

SPEAKER_00 6:32

Oh, yeah. These guys are like trying to bring some real serious investigation into what's often dismissed as you know, fringe science. They're looking at government documents, eyewitness accounts, even trying to find like physical evidence.

SPEAKER_01 6:46

Which is so important, right? It's like, okay, we're not just messing around here. This is this is serious stuff.

SPEAKER_00 6:50

Aaron Powell Exactly. They're trying to move past just speculation, you know, and try to really understand what's going on based on on evidence. Like, for example, George Knapp, he's done a lot of work with these government documents and he's found all these like patterns of secrecy around UFO sightings, it really makes you wonder what they might be hiding and and why.

SPEAKER_01 7:08

Okay, so so we're moving from like personal stories to to more of a a real investigation. But let's let's go back to that crazy idea of a tear in time and space for a second. The blog says that maybe some of these beings are visiting us from like the future or the past through these these tiers.

SPEAKER_00 7:25

Aaron Powell That's where it gets really wild, right? And you know what? If we just like accept that as a possibility for a second, it could explain not only UFOs, but also all those other weird things that we just can't explain, like Bigfoot or the Loch Ness monster.

SPEAKER_01 7:38

Whoa, whoa, you're saying Bigfoot's a time traveler? Okay, that's that's a new one. Yeah. But I mean it it does make you think if these beings can like mess with time and space, maybe they can just pop in and out of our reality whenever they want. And that's where we only get these these little glimpses, you know. Yeah. These weird, blurry photos and and stories that don't quite add up.

SPEAKER_00 7:57

It's a it's a fascinating idea, isn't it? Even if it's you know totally speculative, it could be why some creatures just they don't make sense with our like understanding of of evolution and biology. They just they appear and disappear and we're left scratching our heads.

SPEAKER_01 8:10

I need like a minute to process all this, but let's let's switch gears a bit. John he brings up this really interesting question. Like, why would anyone keep all this all this alien stuff a secret? You know, why wouldn't they just tell us? And he thinks it's it's because it could like really mess with people's religious beliefs. Like it could cause chaos.

SPEAKER_00 8:33

Yeah, that's that's a tough one, right? On the one hand, you know, knowledge is power, people should know the truth. But then on the other hand, you can see how it could, you know, totally shake things up. Think about what happened when um when Copernicus said the earth revolved around the sun, or or or when Darwin came up with evolution.

SPEAKER_01 8:50

Aaron Ross Powell These were like huge deals, like they changed everything about how people saw the world. You know, people they they freaked out.

SPEAKER_00 8:57

Aaron Powell Exactly. So so imagine in what would happen if if the government was like, yep, aliens are real. It could be even crazier. People would start asking all these deep questions about like the meaning of life and and where we fit in the universe, it'd be a total mind blow.

SPEAKER_01 9:10

Aaron Powell It's a lot to wrap your head around. But it's interesting that John, you know, as a shaman, he actually thinks all this this alien stuff, it it makes his spirituality stronger. Right. It doesn't like clash with it.

SPEAKER_00 9:22

Aaron Powell Yeah, it's a good point. It shows that that our beliefs they can they can adapt, right? Like as we learn new things, our understanding of the universe and and spirituality and and everything, it it changes. And that's that's okay. It's part of the journey.

SPEAKER_01 9:35

Aaron Powell It's like the there's no one right way to to fit science and and faith together. It's it's personal, you know? Yeah. Everyone's got to figure it out for themselves.

SPEAKER_00 9:44

Aaron Powell I love that point. It really is about, you know, embracing the mystery of it all and and knowing that, well, we don't know everything. And maybe, just maybe, the universe is way stranger and way more awesome than we can even begin to imagine right now.

SPEAKER_01 9:58

Aaron Powell I'm I'm with you there. And you know what? This whole conversation, it it's got me thinking like, what is our understanding of the universe? It's just like a tiny little sliver of what's really out there.

SPEAKER_00 10:09

Aaron Powell Whoa. That is that is a truly humbling thought, isn't it? And it really speaks to like the limits of what we know scientifically. Maybe, maybe we need to think bigger, like way bigger. We need to open ourselves up to possibilities that are that are just beyond anything we can imagine right now.

SPEAKER_01 10:28

You know, it's it's kind of trippy to think that like everything we know about the universe might be like a tiny little piece of the puzzle, you know?

SPEAKER_00 10:37

It really puts things in perspective, doesn't it? Like we think we're so advanced, but what if we're just like toddlers playing in a sandbox compared to what's really out there?

SPEAKER_01 10:44

Totally. And before we uh before we did that last thought, we were talking about how Shaman John thinks thinks maybe they're keeping the whole alien thing secret because you know it could freak everyone out. It does make you wonder if if they think we're just not like ready for the truth, you know, or if there's something else going on.

SPEAKER_00 11:00

Right. It's like it's like they're playing the this this cosmic game of chess with us and and we're just like pawns you know, we don't even know the rules.

SPEAKER_01 11:08

Okay, so so back to Don Manuel. He he made that distinction between like aliens in spaceships and aliens that travel through uh tiers in time and space. What do you what do you make of that? Like could it be like different levels of technology, different species, different dimensions, timelines?

SPEAKER_00 11:26

It's tough to say for sure, but let's let's think about the technology angle for a sec. Maybe some of these civilizations they've figured out how to travel between stars using like spaceships, like really, really advanced spaceships, but still spaceships. And then others, maybe they've cracked the code of like manipulating space-time itself.

SPEAKER_01 11:45

Aaron Powell So like the difference between, I don't know, taking a plane somewhere versus just like teleporting there instantly.

SPEAKER_00 11:50

Exactly. Like one is you know within our realm of understanding, the other one that's that's like breaking the laws of physics as we know them.

SPEAKER_01 11:57

And and maybe those those civilizations that can like bend time in space, maybe they they operate on a whole different level. Like their understanding of reality, of of consciousness, it could be so beyond ours that we we can't even like comprehend it. It's it's mind-blowing. But if if time travel is real, then it could explain why some UFO sightings are just so so bizarre, like things appearing and disappearing out of nowhere or or moving in ways that that just shouldn't be possible.

SPEAKER_00 12:24

Definitely. If they're not limited by the same like rules of time and space that we are, then yeah, their actions would seem like totally supernatural to us. Like try explaining the internet to, I don't know, a caveman.

SPEAKER_01 12:35

Uh-huh. Yeah, good point. So so are we saying there are multiple types of aliens? Like some are more advanced than others. And if if so, what what are they doing here? Like why are they interested in us?

SPEAKER_00 12:45

Aaron Powell That's the million-dollar question, isn't it? And unfortunately, we don't really have any any solid answers. Some people think, well, maybe they're just studying us, like watching how we develop, maybe even trying to like guide us in some way, kind of like cosmic anthropologists or something.

SPEAKER_01 13:01

Aaron Powell Like the the alien version of Jane Goodall studying in chimpanzees, or maybe they see us as like this this younger civilization and they feel like responsible for for looking after us.

SPEAKER_00 13:11

Could be, but then some folks they think their intentions might not be so so friendly. Like maybe they want our resources, or or maybe they even want to, you know, take over. It's a d it's a darker way to look at it, but but we can't rule it out completely.

SPEAKER_01 13:25

That's a little creepy. But if if they have all this this crazy technology, why wouldn't they just like make contact by all the the secrecy and the weirdness?

SPEAKER_00 13:34

Yeah, that's a great question. There are a few possibilities, you know. Maybe they're waiting for the right time, like for us to reach a certain level of I don't know, technology or social development or something. Or or maybe, just maybe, they're already here, like living among us, but they're so advanced we don't even recognize them. Like their tech is so good, it's just like magic to us.

SPEAKER_01 13:54

Okay, now you're just messing with me. But seriously, the thought that they could be here, like undercover, is kind of freaky. It makes you wonder like, what does it even mean to be human if if there are beings like that walking around?

SPEAKER_00 14:07

Aaron Powell Right. It definitely challenges our whole like human-centered view of the universe, doesn't it? We like to think we're the the top dogs, but but what if we're not? What if there are other forms of life, other ways of thinking and being that are just just beyond our understanding?

SPEAKER_01 14:22

Makes you feel pretty small, huh? And it makes you realize how much how much we'd have to rethink if if we ever got like real proof of aliens.

SPEAKER_00 14:31

Totally. It's a good reminder that that we gotta approach all this with a balance of of curiosity and and caution. Like, yeah, let's be curious. There's so much to learn, but but let's also be careful. We don't know what we might find out there.

SPEAKER_01 14:44

Aaron Powell It's like we're explorers going into uncharted territory. And and just like those old explorers needed maps and company was, we need we need our own tools to to navigate this this whole UFO and alien thing.

SPEAKER_00 14:55

Couldn't have said it better myself. We need to like sharpen our critical thinking skills, be careful about the evidence we look at, and most importantly, be open to the possibility that that the universe might be way weirder and way more amazing than we can even dream of.

SPEAKER_01 15:11

Aaron Powell Man, this deep dive has has taken us on a wild ride. We've gone from like people seeing UFOs to ancient myths to to real scientific research and even like deep philosophical stuff about what it means to be human.

SPEAKER_00 15:26

Aaron Powell And through it all, I think we've done a pretty good job of staying, you know, skeptical, but also open-minded. We're acknowledging that there are these big mysteries out there, but we're also trying to use logic and evidence to make sense of it all.

SPEAKER_01 15:38

It's a tough balance, but I think I think we're doing all right.

SPEAKER_00 15:40

Agreed. It's all about keeping that sense of wonder alive, right? Like never stopping the exploration, the discovery. It's a journey, not a destination.

SPEAKER_01 15:48

Well said. And you know what? This whole conversation has left me with more questions than answers. But but it's also made me feel like kind of awestruck. Like, I want to learn more. I want to know more.

SPEAKER_00 15:59

That's the best part, isn't it? The more we learn, the more we realize how much more there is to discover.

SPEAKER_01 16:05

It's both humbling and exciting. And I think it's time for us to take a step back, you know, like really digest everything we've talked about in this deep dive.

SPEAKER_00 16:15

Absolutely. Let's give ourselves a moment to really process it all.

SPEAKER_01 16:19

We'll be right back after a quick break to wrap up this cosmic adventure. Man, after all that, talking about UFOs and and ancient stories and and like the future of humanity, it makes you look at the night sky a little differently, doesn't it?

SPEAKER_00 16:34

I know what you mean. It's it's amazing how all these ideas can like shake up our whole view of reality. It makes you realize we don't know as much as we think we do.

SPEAKER_01 16:42

For sure. We've we've covered a lot of ground, you know? Yeah. From personal encounters and and those old myths to to actual scientists trying to figure this stuff out. And even like the big philosophical questions about contact with aliens.

SPEAKER_00 16:54

Yeah. And and what's really cool is that we've seen how how all these different perspectives can like work together, you know, like we can take people's experiences and combine that with scientific research and even like spiritual ideas to try to understand it all.

SPEAKER_01 17:09

Aaron Powell So like all those UFO signings and those ancient stories, they're like little cracks in the surface of of what we think is normal. And and they're hinting at something much bigger, something way more mysterious than our like everyday lives.

SPEAKER_00 17:23

Right. Like we're just scratching the surface here. And those cracks can either like scare us, make us want to hide our heads in the sand, or or they can, you know, spark our curiosity, make us want to explore more.

SPEAKER_01 17:33

Yeah, exactly. It's it's all about how we choose to deal with these mysteries, right? Do we do we run away from the unknown or do we do we get excited about the possibility that something truly amazing is out there?

SPEAKER_00 17:44

Aaron Powell And for those who choose to explore, the possibilities are, well, they're endless. It could completely change how we see ourselves, our history, our place in the universe. It's it's pretty mind-basing.

SPEAKER_01 17:56

No doubt. Yeah. But it takes it takes a certain kind of mindset, right? You gotta be open-minded, but also like think critically. And and of course, never lose that sense of wonder.

SPEAKER_00 18:06

Absolutely. More than anything, we gotta be willing to to question everything we thought we knew and and accept that the universe might be way more complex, way more mysterious than we can even imagine right now.

SPEAKER_01 18:17

Aaron Powell So after this deep dive, what's the the big takeaway for our listeners? Like what should they walk away with?

SPEAKER_00 18:23

Aaron Powell Well, I think the most important thing is that, you know, the search for truth, it never really ends. There aren't any any easy answers when it comes to this stuff. And and the more we learn, the more we realize how much we don't know.

SPEAKER_01 18:35

It's it's kind of humbling, isn't it?

SPEAKER_00 18:37

It is, but it's also pretty exciting. There's always more to discover, more to explore, more to be amazed by.

SPEAKER_01 18:42

I like that. And who knows, maybe someday all the mysteries about UFOs and aliens will be like revealed.

unknown 18:50

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 18:50

And it'll totally change how we see ourselves and the whole universe.

SPEAKER_00 18:53

Aaron Powell, wouldn't that be something?

SPEAKER_01 18:54

Until then, we have all these incredible stories, these tantalizing clues, these unanswered questions to keep us going, to keep us searching for answers.

SPEAKER_00 19:02

So to wrap up our deep dive, here's a final thought for everyone out there. Imagine, just imagine, that there are beings out there traveling through time and space. What does that mean for how we understand history, reality, our place in this whole vast cosmos? It's something to think about the next time you look up at the stars, you know. And remember, keep exploring, keep questioning, and never ever lose that sense of wonder. Until next time, keep on deep diving.